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351 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:53 am

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Guest wrote:What final pieces, Arsenal's loan from the bank finally going through to afford the buy out clause? I agree if Oshoala was a main target they would have secured her in December, why wait. Smacks of an expensive panic buy from Arsenal, most likely since they were unable to secure their main target. They now have three forwards under 21 (with only one of them being English), 2 forwards over 35 and 2 forwards in their prime. How in the hell are they going to accommodate all of those players. Some of their purchases having been baffling this off season and the amount of money they have spent on fees and wages is staggering. 
I don't think Oshoala has returned to England yet after her winter break. That's a pretty big final piece of the puzzle.

But I too get the sense Oshoala is a resorted to panic buy. I don't know who their other targets were but you don't need to know that info to guess that it's highly unlikely they were other underdeveloped 21 year olds like her. They will have been wanting the finished article to go along with all the other finished articles they signed this window. They already signed the 'project' forward in McCabe. And if it was Taylor they were dealing with then she and Oshoala are nothing alike style wise either which makes it even more perplexing. I don't Oshoala suits their game.

352 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:47 am

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On the point above about Liverpool wanting foreign clubs to come in for her: the transfer windows in Germany and France for example close at the turn of the month. English clubs can still continue to sign players out of Germany and France but German and French could not sign Oshoala. They will have to be quick. But they will have to be quick anyway to get in before she agrees terms with Arsenal.

353 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:33 pm

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Guest wrote:So either this has indeed been in place for months and we are only just being told now as the final pieces fall into place, or Arsenal have been shopping around and settled for her when their higher listed preferences never came off.
I know we don't get told much but we do come across enough information to sense big deals are in the offing fairly often. Only Carney to Chelsea wasn't the subject of discussion beforehand but even in that case her leaving Birmingham was not unexpected, the surprise was the Chelsea bit. Nobody picked up on Oshoala. It feels like it has come completely out of the blue and very recently. Even if we work from the assumption that Harding is Oshoala's replacement we know Harding was still a City player two weeks ago. So Arsenal's move has to be a late one. Which means it is at best a down at the bottom of the list last resort and at worst is a complete panic buy. She could do with recognising that.

354 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:54 pm

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Harding's new club is being announced tomorrow as per her agent via Laverty.

355 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:23 pm

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Guest wrote:Harding's new club is being announced tomorrow as per her agent via Laverty.
It'll be Liverpool. It's just a question of whether or not her move is in any way linked to Oshoala's exit.

It would be really nice if a journo decided to do their job and get some details on what is happening with the latter. It's really disappointing that something so unusual could happen in the WSL and nobody is following it up to elaborate on that Liverpool statement.

356 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:31 am

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I wonder at what point Harding knew she was leaving. I also wonder if Arsenal knew about it or only found out on Saturday. If not maybe they will make try to sign Harding she would probably suit their set up better and a hell of a lot cheaper than Oshoala. Liverpool only stated that they accepted Arsenal's offer on Monday, not that the bid came in on that day. Besides Oshoala being friends with Fara and potentially suggested to Arsenal by her I don't understand why they are going after Oshoala. They need a forward in their goal scoring prime, even more so if Natalia is leaving. Not a player that isn't the finished article and will need a lot of nuturing, especially at that price.

357 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:29 am

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Depending on the actual terms of Oshoala's release clause, the day Liverpool received it and the day they accepted it could be one and same. If the clause states a buy price and Arsenal's offer met that then there is zero accepting and zero negotiating to do, it was just automatically okay. The only way to prolong the process would be the time it took Liverpool to inform Arsenal that their bid was accepted. Something which loses some of it's effectiveness if Arsenal already know their bid will be enough because they had knowledge of the clause before triggering it.

358 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:46 am

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Guest wrote:Depending on the actual terms of Oshoala's release clause, the day Liverpool received it and the day they accepted it could be one and same. If the clause states a buy price and Arsenal's offer met that then there is zero accepting and zero negotiating to do, it was just automatically okay. The only way to prolong the process would be the time it took Liverpool to inform Arsenal that their bid was accepted. Something which loses some of it's effectiveness if Arsenal already know their bid will be enough because they had knowledge of the clause before triggering it.
Even so, the process itself doesn't continue until Arsenal receive official confirmation of acceptance from Liverpool. It was in Liverpool's best interests that they found Oshoala's replacement before anybody knew Arsenal had just handed them what is likely to be a sizable fee for her. Any player they approach for in January is almost certainly going to be contracted and quite possibly still wanted by the club they are at. Shopping in those circumstances is going to be costly anyway, but doing it when people also know you have money too isn't going to end well for your budget.

359 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:10 am

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Guest wrote:Even so, the process itself doesn't continue until Arsenal receive official confirmation of acceptance from Liverpool. It was in Liverpool's best interests that they found Oshoala's replacement before anybody knew Arsenal had just handed them what is likely to be a sizable fee for her. Any player they approach for in January is almost certainly going to be contracted and quite possibly still wanted by the club they are at. Shopping in those circumstances is going to be costly anyway, but doing it when people also know you have money too isn't going to end well for your budget.
Harding was a Liverpool player more or less two weeks before City said she was no longer theirs. Liverpool's announcement that they had accepted Arsenal's Oshoala offer came two days after City announced Harding's departure. So in that timescale, if Liverpool have stalled Arsenal on Oshoala so they could get Harding without being fleeced, that would mean they were still stalling Arsenal for two weeks after they already had Harding in the bag. That doesn't sound right to me.

360 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:20 am

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Guest wrote:Harding was a Liverpool player more or less two weeks before City said she was no longer theirs. Liverpool's announcement that they had accepted Arsenal's Oshoala offer came two days after City announced Harding's departure. So in that timescale, if Liverpool have stalled Arsenal on Oshoala so they could get Harding without being fleeced, that would mean they were still stalling Arsenal for two weeks after they already had Harding in the bag. That doesn't sound right to me.
That timescale is based on the assumption that the day Liverpool made their announcement is also the day they informed Arsenal their offer had been accepted. That debate has already been covered. But even if we run with the assumption and they did stall Arsenal when they already had Harding, that does still make sense if they have enough money to get another signing on top of Harding. We have already questioned whether Harding is going to Liverpool as a simple addition or as an Oshoala replacement. Say it's the former and Harding isn't Oshoala's placement, Liverpool will have stalled while they found the player who is.

361 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:52 am

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The two week gap between Liverpool signing Harding and their Oshoala announcement can be easily accounted for if you go with the idea that, first of all, Liverpool had already informed Arsenal their bid was accepted well before they told us because we're not important to it. Second, that Oshoala's release clause only forced negotiations for her as opposed to forced the automatic sale of her, and that Oshoala's personal terms still needed to be settled. 

Or in other words, Liverpool were out buying Oshoala's replacements while all parties were still negotiating the deal to send her to Arsenal and none of us had a clue any of it was happening because they only let us in on it when things were advanced. In that scenario they still get to shop without other clubs knowing they have money in their pocket. It just means spending it before they actually receive it. And should Arsenal back out and they are left with Oshoala after having signed replacements for her it's not like they would be overstocked. Plus there is always a chance somebody else comes in for her anyway now her clause is public knowledge.

362 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:03 am

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So basically we're at an impasse. Without knowing the terms of Oshoala's release clause, how many offers Arsenal made before triggering said clause, and when Liverpool informed them this had happened, we can't say with any degree of certainty what has gone on or is going on or if Harding is in any way connected.

The best we can do is conclude it has all happened this month, possibly within the last two weeks or so. It's recently either way. And, bringing wider rumour into it, that Oshoala isn't Arsenal's first choice.

Oh to be a WSL fan, eh? It's a life of stabbing in the dark  Laughing

363 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:07 am

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Guest wrote:Rich Laverty @RichJLaverty
#FAWSL Big deal between WSL 1 clubs for an England international close...
https://twitter.com/RichJLaverty/status/690516437325221888

There are too many interesting replies to this tweet to post them all. It's easier if you just read them at the source.
He updated. It's being announced on Monday.

366 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:39 pm

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Rich Laverty ‏@RichJLaverty
Bit of a lull now in #FAWSL transfer news. Sunderland have one ready to announce but not sure why there's such a delay.

367 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:21 pm

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http://www.bristolcitywfc.co.uk/news/corinne_yorston_rejoins_the_vixens.html#iGkRct3P9La33CQl.97

Hmm, intersting. I guess she wasn't a fan of the last manager either. Bristol is looking good for coming straight back up.

368 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:23 pm

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Sunderland would be Johnston? 
Then we have whoever this England player is on Monday.
And whatever is going on with Oshoala.

Angharad James, anybody? And has Christie Murray turned up anywhere yet?

369 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:24 pm

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Bit of a lull now in #FAWSL transfer news.

Well since he knew nothing about the Oshoala deal or the Harding move until they had happened, I'd take this with a grain of salt. He also seems to get his information mostly from players and agents so if neither care to tell him anything he doesn't have a clue.

370 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:42 am

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It has been four days since Liverpool's Oshoala announcement. If they were backdating their news and the whole deal was more advanced than their announcement implied then Arsenal could have confirmed her signing by now. The longer it takes the more likely it is that her clause was only activated on Tuesday.

371 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:34 pm

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Guest wrote:Angharad James, anybody?
She would be ex-Bristol and the rules of this transfer window state she must sign for Liverpool.

372 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:07 pm

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Not if Oshoala just started negotiations with Arsenal on Tuesday. If she had put a clause in her Liverpool contract I'd imagine that coming to personal terms could be a drawn out process. She wasn't't necessarily seeking out Arsenal so it's Arsenal who has to sell them self to her.

373 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:30 pm

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Guest wrote:She would be ex-Bristol and the rules of this transfer window state she must sign for Liverpool.
It's funny you should say that because they have recently followed her on twitter and we know what that means  Wink

374 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:40 pm

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Guest wrote:It's funny you should say that because they have recently followed her on twitter and we know what that means
They have also followed Cafu, so I guess they found their rightback cover  Laughing

375 Re: Transfer Rumours & Discussion on Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:52 pm

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Guest wrote:Not if Oshoala just started negotiations with Arsenal on Tuesday. If she had put a clause in her Liverpool contract I'd imagine that coming to personal terms could be a drawn out process. She wasn't't necessarily seeking out Arsenal so it's Arsenal who has to sell them self to her.
They can't afford for it be a drawn out process. Time is of the essence when you're still doing business at the start of February. Say Oshoala turns them down after a week or two of failed negotiations over her contract terms, who do they turn to then that late in the day? They will wrap it up quickly one way or another so they can move on if it isn't working out. And if she is a panic buy in the first place then chances are they will also panic into giving her whatever terms she asks for just so they can get a player signed.

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